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From: ggreg perry <ggreg@nwu.edu>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:35:57 -0600
Subject: Space1999: 1st season character development
it seems people label the first season acting as wooden, which is just not
true, and the characters as underdeveloped, but i question whether this is
even relevant in the context of first season 1999.
we have here a group of people flung out into a hostile universe, completely
at the mercy (or lack thereof) of forces beyond their control. at best, we
can expect their emotions to be ones of fear, paranoia, nervousness or
depression.
just because everyone doesn't go around smiling and kissing each others
bottoms all the time does not mean these are not interesting or real characters.
in other words, just because we don't know a lot of background info on the
characters, or see a lot of romantic interaction between them, just doesn't
mean their less believable.
so i feel this criticism is essentially invalid as far as the first season
goes.
sure, as a preference on could prefer more "development", but i really think
that in this instance (first season), this is not as serious a drawback (if
it is at all) as it may at first seem.
the film 2001 was also criticized in this regard, while STAR TREK NG is
praised to the high heavens because of it's, and i use the term loosely
here, "character development".
not that STNG wasn't able to convey or fit in this type of development, but
it was done to such an extreme, so self-consciously, that it comes off
superficial and false.
i think if second season 1999 would have caried on in a normal fashion from
first, we would have struck a perfect balance: natural development of the
characters as they had settled in, and had finally become use to their
situation.
and there are actually many instances of this in first season: kano and
koenig playing chess, koening and victor sitting around koenig's office
talking, the kendo match, putting together puzzles, the "picnic" in LAST
SUNSET, the guitar recital, birth of a child, etc.
but thankfully, they are small moments and not made out to be some grand
annoucement of "look how human our characters are".
thus, in closing, i feel that while one may not care for the depiction of
said characters in their situation, i also do not think one can criticize
the characters (or actors, since their subtle portayals are not bad acting)
for how they were depicted.
ggreg
MISERY INDEX COMMAND CENTER
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From: Ian Wheeler <ian@ianjames.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 22:59:21 +0000
Subject: Re: Space1999: Models kits Re-release
In message <199703020347.WAA14191@ginger.capitalnet.com>, John J Fleming
<John@coldnorth.com> writes
>
> The BSG kits are comeing out in a month or so. They are in the 1997
>catalogue. But the sites are not always upto date on these things. So, keep
>looking, and maybe we'll get lucky. But then again, those of us who do own
>them might not agree. The Eagle is bad. It will take more work to fix, than
>to build one from scratch. The Hawk is ok. But I don't have the Moonbase
>yet. Still working on that trade.
>
Are the kits being re-released in the UK? (Possibly a silly question!)
Any info would be appreciated.
- --
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From: ff665@cleveland.freenet.edu (Michael A. Perry)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:55:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Space1999: SpaceCon XII - September 13-14, 1997
Reply to message from StarParty@aol.com of Sat, 01 Mar
>
>Dear Fans,
>
>Let me remind the list members that SpaceCon XII will be held this September
>(on the 13th and 14th!) at the Days Inn/City Center in Portland, Oregon.
> Special guests currently include BARRY MORSE, NICK TATE, and GRACE LEE
>WHITNEY. An invitation has also been extended to Barbara Bain. Events
>include video screenings, guest talks and autographs, dealers, an art show,
>and much more!
ANybody going to this, please let me know.
I am looking for blooper stuff for ufo and 1999!
Will pay well for them.
Michael
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From: ff665@cleveland.freenet.edu (Michael A. Perry)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:19:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Space1999: Mike, email back please....
I believe you have the tapes. Send me a copy of the tape you
do have. I will champion you to the rest of the list.
Part of me doesn't beleive you, though. I guess it Man's nature
(Woman's, too.) to doubt what he/she doesn't see.
Ever heard of Thomas, the disciple in the Christian faith?
If you do this, I will give you a free set of animated episodes
if and when I get them. You may have heard I am the
1999 video guy on the list. That is what you wanted in the first place,
right?
Call me at (317)5459881 after 6 EST, and I would love to talk to you about
them.
Michael Perry
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From: "Peters, Pete" <BPeters@gwinnett.tec.ga.us>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:53:47 -0500
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Space1999: Eagle models in Italy
>From: MMERIDIT@nsfdg.navy.mil[SMTP:MMERIDIT@nsfdg.navy.mil]
>Sent: Saturday, March 01, 1997 2:30 PM
>
>
> >>Instead of help, I have rec'd accusation, recrimination and
>threats.
> People have called me a liar and demanded that I send my two last
episodes to them for verification.<<
I Whole-Heartedly apologize for the childish behavior of some of our
list members they have been burned in the past and they have an in
- -built defense against being burned in the future. Try to understand
that a lot of our list members live, eat, and breath S1999 and that is
also part of their defense mechanism. They posses vast amounts of
"knowledge" about the S1999 universe and purport themselves to be
"experts" Your bomb-shell of information overloaded their brains and
that primitive defense mechanism got activated then kicked and overrode
any rational thought or netiquette that was learned later. Please
PLEASE! reconsider your withdrawal from our list, you may be a great
asset in disguise that could bring a whole new dimension to us. I also
know that if you give everyone that responded negatively another chance
and share your treasure with us they will certainly apologize and
welcome you correctly.
>
> >>What the hell is this, the SPACE:1999 mailing list, or some
>neo- Nazi fascist fan club? You all certainly know how to make
>some one feel very UNWELCOME and I will be more than happy to tell
>my other friends who are fans to stay away from your
site.<<
>Please don't! let's start over and try to work this out.
>
> >>Point of fact! There ARE animated episodes. I don't really
>care if
you believe me or not, because I have seen them and enjoyed
> them.<<
>
We Believe there are fairies! We Believe there are fairies!
> >>There IS a supplement to the Technical Notebook. In case you
>are
> interested I have the ISBN, the synopses numbers at the top of
>each
page, publication date, etc.<<
>Really?!!!! where, who, how much? yes Yes YES!!!
>
>>I would've been more than happy to fax the guide to anyone who
> wanted them or send copies of the videos if I had been met with
>the slightest bit of kindness. Instead I was met with
suspicion and rudeness.<<
We are so sorry, if it would please your Honor for us to throw
ourselves on the mercy of the court. Please give us
another chance!!!
>
(snip)
CADMiester PETE
Chief of VRMDD (Virtual Reality Mechanical Design and Development)
Alpha Moonbase
Snellville Georgia USA
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From: bjscannell@sprynet.com
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:53:48 -0800
Subject: Space1999: 44 Inch Eagle Reproduction Chat
Alphans,
Hi, Barry here. I'm building a 44 inch reproduction Eagle and in researching
the project I have learned the source of some recogniseable Eagle parts. On the
top of the pods there are little round bumps with a small raised line extending
from it. It has an off center ring on the top. They are pieces of kit from a
Revell 1:24 scale Gemini Capsule . There are Two astronauts in there that I'm
told are the basis for the Alphans in the 5 inch Moonbuggy and in the 44 inch
Eagle. On one version of the Eagle there are rectangular groved things on the
edge above the directional thrusters. These are also in this kit. There might
also be some pieces of this kit behind the cage of the body.
Can anyone tell me the source of any other Eagle parts? I searched for the
Gemini kit for these parts and I think the detail will help make this model very
accurate to the original one(s).
Thanks,
Barry Scannell
White Left Sleeve
#143
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From: Amardeep S Chana <achana@eng.mc.xerox.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:37:02 PST
Subject: Space1999: Comic Books, etc.
Thanks to everyone who replied with the Koenig-without-helmet issue.
Sure would be nice to see that again some day.
Hey, maybe that animated show was somebody flipping comic book pages
in front of a VCR... Hey, there might be a market for this... :)
Amardeep
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From: djlerda@juno.com (David J Lerda)
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 15:37:21 EST
Subject: Re: Space1999: Neo-Nazi fascist in search of animates series
On Mon, 3 Mar 1997 08:50:10 -0500 John@coldnorth.com (John J Fleming)
writes:
>>incorrect. Since "epithet-hurling" Mike has presumably been granted
>his
>>wish and unsubscribed I suggest we all just put this unfortunate
>episode
>>behind us.
>
> Now, is that an animated episode?? :-)
>
>Later...
>
>
This whole damn mess was certainly animated!
:-)
David
David Lerda
Salisbury, Maryland, USA
djlerda@juno.com
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From: JTRD1@aol.com
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:48:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Space1999: Still searching for Into Infinity - The Day after Tommorrow
I'm looking for the 1 hour program called "The Day After Tommorrow" or "Into
Infinity"? It was produced between years 1&2 and stars Nick Tate & Brian
Blessed with music by Derek Wadsworth. Does anyone have a copy of this? Has
it ever been released on video in the US or UK?
James David
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From: JSchill824@aol.com
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:26:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Space1999: OT Comic Con?
Hey,
You mentioned a comic con in Chicago in July?? Details,Details!
Jschill (Alphan From the Windy City)
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From: Robert Ruiz <R4ARUIZ@legal.pactel.com>
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 14:39:15 -0800
Subject: Space1999: 44 Inch Eagle Reproduction Chat -Reply
Barry/All:
All the parts, including the astronauts, came from Revell's Gemini capsule
kit, largely because it was sold in the two different scales they needed.
Look at the pictures of Jim Small's Eagle shots at John Fleming's Cold
North Publishing site to see the parts behind the caging.
Robert
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From: Dave Walsh <voidspyder@pipeline.com>
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 19:27:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Space1999: 44 Inch Eagle Reproduction Chat
At 02:39 PM 3/3/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Barry/All:
>
>All the parts, including the astronauts, came from Revell's Gemini capsule
>kit, largely because it was sold in the two different scales they needed.
>Look at the pictures of Jim Small's Eagle shots at John Fleming's Cold
>North Publishing site to see the parts behind the caging.
>
>Robert
I have a source for the Revell 1/24 scale Gemini Capsule. It's available
from John Green Inc. for $44.00 =p&h. Let me know if you're interested and
I'll give you the details.
"Ninety percent of Science-Fiction is crud. That's because
ninety percent of everything is crud."
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From: John & Robin <imzadi@bellsouth.net>
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 1980 03:03:41 -0500
Subject: Re: Space1999: Neo-Nazi fascist in search of animates series
Deborah Capuano wrote:
>
> I checked with a friend of mine in Australia and he does tell me he remembers
> such...evidently it was -only- aired there and only for one season (if that
> long)
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From: Daph <dvezina@mediom.qc.ca>
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 20:29:10 -0500
Subject: Space1999: Cyber Museum gets noticed in Quebec: the real Mc Coy... ;-)
Hi!
Ok, I'm late but better now than never... ;-)
Here's the translation of the actual review of Marcy's site as can be seen
in "Planete Internet Quebec", vol. 1, no. 4 (March 1997)... Enjoy!
From the article "Etes-vous branches culte?" (VERY approximate translation:
Are you into cult tv?...Whatever.... As they say, traditorre, trahitore....
;-) ):
"(...)The Space 1999 Cybermuseum (www.buffnet.net/~mk/1999.html) seems
to be the ideal base (Alpha?) to rediscover the world of John, Helena, Alan
and all their Courreges-dressed friends from the '70's. In addition to a
well-supplied list of links, you can discover wonderful pictures et read
novels from fans."
...That's approximately it, give or take a few translation mistakes. There
is a picture of the main page of the Cyber Museum with the old link to get
there. VERY short but fun. Unfortunately, the reviewer obviously went
through the site before Marcy moved it to its new location. Hopefully, this
can prove to be only a minor inconvenience.
Courreges? The article seems to compare the Alphans' uniform to the
Courreges outfits from the '70's. Question: what?!? ;-) Anybody knows this
'70's fashion reference? Marcy, Catherine, anyone? Help this poor brain of
mine, please! :-)
And now, for the Quebec folks, the actual text:
"Enfin le cybermuseum Cosmos 1999 (www.buffnet.net/~mk/1999.html) semble
etre le camp de base (Alpha?) ideal pour (re)decouvrir tout l'Univers de
John, Helena, Alan et leurs amis lookes Courreges des '70's. En plus d'une
liste de liens tres etoffee, on decouvre de belles images du cosmos et on
peut lire quelques nouvelles de fans."
'Nite!
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From: JSchill824@aol.com
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:16:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Space1999: Wooden characters?
Hi Faith & all alphans,
I'm not too sure if I'd address that Y1 was troubled by wooden characters.
I've always liked the subtle emotional ties they developed in Y1 that maybe
wasn't overtly address by "character development". The gentle reassuring hug
of Sandra by the Commander in "War Games" or one of my favorite scene in
"Another Time Another Place" when Victor is talking about the order of the
universe and pats Johns belly. At the age 11 I was very tied to all the
characters and enjoyed how they constantly address their harsh environment.
Maybe Helena should have let down her hair on occasions (ie like dancing in
OMOH) however it may have been too soon. Realizing they were adjusting to
Alpha as a "new" home must have taken some time. As I watch the show now I'm
amazed at how well it's held up. For my 33 birthday my husband bought me all
of y1 on video. (thanks gregg for taping them) Wow, uncut! Its like
watching Space:1999 the Special Edition. The few new scenes are great and
makes them like new!!!!
Jschill (Alphan from the windy city)
P.S. For all you y2 fans hang in there, though a devoted y1 fan I'm glad
there was a y2.
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From: "Phillip C. Merkel" <captphil@unix.asb.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:35:54 -0500
Subject: Re: Space1999: Still searching for Into Infinity - The Day after Tommorrow
At 03:48 PM 3/3/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I'm looking for the 1 hour program called "The Day After Tommorrow" or "Into
>Infinity"? It was produced between years 1&2 and stars Nick Tate & Brian
>Blessed with music by Derek Wadsworth. Does anyone have a copy of this? Has
>it ever been released on video in the US or UK?
>
>James David
I have a bootleg copy of this I purchased at an SF convention a few years
back. I'd be happy to make copies for trade BUT I am very very slow at
this. If you don't believe me ask John Fleming. The two of us have the
longest ongoing video trade in the history of video!
Mostly due to my disorganization of my video library, 6month old daughter
and my other job! I wind up taping over the weekend if at all.
So email me a trade list, keep it off the main list so's not to clutter it
with wacky posts like...Phil where's the tape!!!! and John Fleming if I
havn't made a copy of this for you yet..do you want it.
Oh and BTW this tape has a couple of other items on it all mostly poor to
good quality.
Gerry Anderson at a TV show with fanderson people (SOrt of This is your life
sort of thing) A couple of andrson related ice cream commercials, the
famous Alien Invasion desert topping commercial in which desert toppings are
launch to fight off approaching alien pies or some such thing (Starlog had
an article about this titled alien attack)
This is no relation to the ALien Attack 1999 movie.
Also on the tape are promos for every episode of 1999 (AT oeast the 1st
season) It consists of the name of the episode and running the opening
credits including the "This Episode" Sequence. I think thats everything on
that tape. And no I havn't gotten around to making a cool label for it yet
like I did with my 1999 tapes. (And still working on my UFO tapes labels
... B5 too for that matter)
Phil M
captphil@unix.asb.com
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From: "Robert Ashley Ruiz" <espresso@dnai.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 18:32:07 -0700
Subject: Space1999: Thank You
Hi All:
As of today I have received cash and checks totalling $82 from the
following people:
Barnella, Allen
Embury, Pat
Girouard, Gary
Greer, Bill
Hayes, Kevin
Majelli, Maurizio
Mittler, Judy
Motyan, Zoltan
Perry, Ggreg
Prange, Steve
Ruiz, Robert
Welle, David
I would like to thank all of these people for contributing to the
list fund for 1997.
Marcy has asked me to hang onto the money until all comes in, so I
will do that and keep you all posted as to how much we collect and
who the contributors are.
Robert
Robert Ruiz (espresso@dnai.com)
San Francisco, California USA
Cybrarian of the Space: 1999 Cybrary at:
http://204.188.13.27/welcome.htm
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From: jeff.findley@sdrc.com (jeff findley)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:44:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Space1999: 44 Inch Eagle Reproduction Chat
> I have a source for the Revell 1/24 scale Gemini Capsule. It's available
> from John Green Inc. for $44.00 =p&h. Let me know if you're interested and
> I'll give you the details.
I bought two re-issues of the Revell 1/24 scale Gemini Capsule
at $10.00 US each. Picked them up at my local hobby store. Since
they just re-issued them a couple of years ago, I would think that
you ought to be able to find this kit for less than $44.00. Is
that $44.00 kit an original release (i.e. collector's item)? I
would think that the re-issued kit ought to be just fine for parts.
Jeff
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From: "Phillip C. Merkel" <captphil@unix.asb.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:02:52 -0500
Subject: Space1999: OT WHat conventions are you attending Phil?
Hi Everybody!
Just thought you'd like to know I'll be attending the Lunacon Convention
this weekend March 7-9 1997 in RyeBrook NY. I won't be there friday but
definatly saturday and maybe sunday (If I'm not too tired)
http://www.lunacon.org/lunacon/lunacon.html
Also in April I'll be at I-Con in Stony Brook NY the first weekend in April.
http://www.iconsf.org/
So if you want to meet a real life 1999 listmember in the flesh contact me
if you'll be there. I promise you won't run sreaming from me for at least 5
minutes!
Also, at I-Con the two bright lights of my life will be with me, my wife & 6
month old (Eh 7 month old then) daughter!
I'll keep my eye open for 1999 stuff too, sometimes I-con (Not Lunacon so
much) can have some great 1999 stuff. Igf anyone wants a 1999 card set I've
seen them there for around $20. Let me know if I should pick something like
that up.
Later!
Phil M
captphil@unix.asb.com
Currently reading: Star Trek Phase II by Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens
(Okay, Star Trek is a guilty pleasure, don't tell anyone shhhhhh!)
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